The Demon Of Racism

[-DarkKnyt-]

youve tried to change the subject here.
my thoughts about jobs and affirmative action is not the issue we were discussing.

our subject was one of politically correct terms. in SA black and white are not incorrect, in Canada and america being called a black person in politically incorrect cos MOST people say it and look down. I DO NOT and niether do my black and white friends.

as for affirmative action... isnt that firing a white person cos he's white? isnt advertising a job opening for "black applicants only" kinda RACIST?

[LillyNomad]

Dokkie: The answer is no, and I know I am going to get people riled up. Good!

To ask that question about communism, shows you know little about it. The idea of communism was good, but went to the extremem; oh, heck, I am not going into this again. Go read my posts on the russia.com boards from last year.

Crimes against humanity began ages ago, many centuries in fact. Sadly, there will always be crimes against humanity.

Oh, and don't tell me that the only crimes against humanity were perpertrated by the whites. Look back at ancient African history, before the Arab slave traders arrived. Tribal warfare etc. I hear that some places they still shrink heads......wink.

I have never used a racist term in mischief. I only use the reference to black or white in certain situations where is it politically correct.

When I was a 7 years old, my best friend Brenda DeKlerk, who emmigrated from South Africa told me all sorts of stories about her country. She lived the good life, detailing all the maids, servants and luxuries as she "yawningly" explained.

One thing she told me was that her family always slept with a pistol under a pillow because the (forgive me for using the term) "N*****s" could come in at night and rape and kill them. That was my first exprience with that situation, based upon her own biased opinions, no doubt taught by her parents. I didn't know anything about racism then. She was 8 years old, by the way.

One day, we had a fight over something stupid as children often due, and I called her the "N" word. To make a long story short, she told her mother who told my mother and my ass still burns today with the memory of the whipping I received.

I often hear white people refer to blacks as "N" and still find it shocking to hear. What is even more appalling, is that blacks themselves, especially Jamaicans, call each other the "N" word. Why???????

If for example, I listened to a news broadcast on the radio, where the announcer reported that a black man was shot or was involved in an accident etc., I would call it labeling. Just say a man was shot etc.

LillyNomad

[Mandi]

Now you are at it again.

Let us say hypothetically, that 16 out of 20 white folks are employed and only 10 out of 100 black folks have that opportunity, due to apartheid which sought to preserve jobs for the white folks. Wouldn't you consciously seek to include a larger percentage of the black folks in order to balance the equation? Why not, if they also make up the majority of the population?

To LilyNomad, could you please expatiate on the issue of communism and it being declared a crime against humanity.

[LillyNomad]

Mandi: Expatiate the issue, as in go into great detail? I already mentioned to you to visiit the russia.com boards and read through the various strings on it. I don't have the time at the library to go into it. I said the idea of Communism was good but taken from one extreme to another. To an extent it worked well for the Soviet Union for 70 years, but there were many drawbacks. Go to the library and read about it if you are so interested in it.

I was in Moscow a year and a half ago and spoke to many Russians and saw how life was there. Many spoke of how much better it was before. Everyone had jobs, food on the table,etc.

Now there is starvation, homelessness, alcoholism, corruption to the n'th degree. Like I said there are positive and negative aspects to Communism, but crime against humanity, no. Corruption, yes. Struggle for power, yes. The Soviet Union was once a Super World Power under Communism. They are still strong, don't underestimate them.Democracy in Russia is a slow process and it will take time for Russia to recover. She will be a Super Power again, through Democracy. You have to crawl before you walk.

If everyone faced the reality of what the fulfillment of the Communist objectives meant to him, he would have been inspired to work harder to protect and preserve the individual liberty and freedom which is a part and parcel of the AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE.

Within Communist countries the real peril lied not in what the Communists were capable of doing , but in what, through fear and hysteria, they were likely to do to themselves in meeting the threat.


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Besides, this is the South Africa boards. Go to Russia.com and join up.

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If you talk about crimes against humanity, let's talk about Africa. I just read this recently about Human Rights Abuses in Nigeria:

HUMAN RIGHTS IN NIGERIA, PART I
THE UN's Children Fund has condemned the "cruel, inhuman and degrading" punishment of a 17-year-old Nigerian who was publicly flogged for becoming pregnant before marriage. UNICEF Director Carol Bellamy said the punishment of Bariya Ibrahim Magazu, who was caned 100 times on the orders of an Islamic court in northern Nigeria, was a "fundamental violation of human rights". Bellamy said Magazu could neither read nor write, was not given adequate legal counsel to defend herself, and was unaware of her right to appeal. - AFP

HUMAN RIGHTS IN NIGERIA, PART II
THE Nigerian army is not considering a pardon for 25 wounded soldiers recently jailed for mutiny and disobedience, says army chief Victor Malu. The soldiers, who were wounded while fighting under the west African peacekeeping force ECOMOG in Liberia and Sierra Leone, were last month jailed for life for protesting against conditions surrounding their medical treatment in Egypt. "If I fail to punish them, I'll be failing in my duty," the visibly angry army boss said. - AFP


Colonel Paul Okuntimo :
THE leader of a security task force accused of terrorising and brutalising Nigeria's troubled Ogoni people has told an astonished human rights hearing he was proud of what he did.
Colonel Paul Okuntimo told a packed conference hall the task force sent in 1993 by the late military ruler Sani Abacha to suppress unrest in the Ogoni region of Nigeria's southern oil-producing region had stopped a descent into widespread bloodshed.
Okuntimo was sent into the region in 1993 by Abacha after Ogoni leaders, charging exploitation by oil companies operating on their land, demanded an end to oil production and autonomy for their people.
Violence flared in the region and in 1995, Ken Saro-Wiwa, the leader of the main opposition Movement for the Survival of the Ogoni People (MOSOP), and eight supporters were executed after being convicted of murder by a military tribunal.

For years, Okuntimo has been accused by human rights groups, including MOSOP, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, of ordering and carrying out a series of human rights abuses.
Booed and hissed by a hostile crowd of more than 3 000, he gave a remarkable defence of his actions for almost four hours.
"If God did not send me Ogoniland, there would be no Ogonis today," he told the panel, when asked to explain the brutality he admitted had been used by his task force to end an uprising in the region in 1994 and 1995.
"I am their redeemer ... I am the embodiment of truth," he said. "You people should be grateful to me that you are living ... you should worship me," he said, turning to the crowd.
Asked to explain a video of a news conference in which he said he knew of more than 200 ways of killing people and the Ogonis had only suffered three or four, he said the statement was part of "psychological warfare."
In a statement, MOSOP President Ledum Mitee condemned Okuntimo's testimony as an insult to the Ogoni people and called for his arrest.
"The testimony of Okuntimo places a direct challenge before ... the panel. We will submit that Okuntimo's testimony is a fabric of lies from beginning to end. If soldiers with the attitude of Colonel Okuntimo are allowed to walk free, then this panel will come to nothing," he said.

Now that is an example of crime against humanity. It is not Communism that causes crime against humanity, it is greed, corruption and relgious beliefs.

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DK:
As for the other question to DK, you are talking Affirmative Action. I believe the job should go to the best man or woman for the task. If the majority of whites win out, perhaps the educational system for the blacks should be addressed. If a white has a degree or experience in a particular profession and the black doesn't, should Affirmative Action give the black man the position? I do not agree. WE are all equal according to everyone who is trying to expound regarding colour and race. The same should be for everything else. Education, education ,education: that is the key to improve the cause of these pandemic problems.

LillyNomad

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[Edited by LillyNomad on 24th January 2001 at 22:36]

[LillyNomad]

DK: News Flash

SOUTH Africa's Human Rights Commission
has urged Mpumalanga's education department to broaden its probe into racial discrimination at state schools to include bias against the disabled and certain religions.
SAHRC commissioner Charlotte McClain said it was essential to deal with all discriminatory admission policies at schools and not to only single out racism.

"While the fight against racism is clearly very important, we also need to look at other forms of discrimination that keep disabled and poor learners, or those of certain religions, out of the schools of their choice," she said.
Declining to comment further for fear of prejudicing investigations, McClain said the SAHRC had agreed to help retrain any school managers found guilty of discrimination.
Education MEC Craig Padayachee originally established an independent anti-racism task team to probe with complaints of racial discrimination in schools on January 9. He said at the time the task team would focus on allegations that racist admission policies were being administered in some of the province's better equipped schools.

Declining to name schools where the abuses were allegedly occurring, Padayachee said in a statement that the task team would consist of a number of regional sub-committees and would deliver its first interim report this Friday.
The task team would also probe allegations that some formerly Afrikaans schools, which were recently forced to introduce English duel medium tuition, were discriminating against non-Afrikaans speakers.

He confirmed that the abuses appeared concentrated in the province's urban, traditionally white suburban schools.
Mpumalanga's 2 600 schools currently cater to almost one million pupils, and have been unable to meet the growing demand for seats in urban schools by township pupils dissatisfied with their under-resourced apartheid era schools.
Mpumalanga has been regularly rocked by racist clashes at its schools, including the attempts to exclude black or English speaking pupils at the Hoerskool Ben Viljoen and Hoerskool General Hertzog high schools in the province's industrialised Highveld region. - African Eye News Service


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------If this problem could be eradicated, there would be more equal oppurtunity involving job equality.

LillyNomad

[-DarkKnyt-]

M'lady Lilly

I agree with you on the best man for the job deserves the job, black, white, purple or green. Just because someone gets a jobs cos of their skin colour I view as racism and I am all against racism and YES mandi i grew up in SA and no im not racist, anyone with views that those with a certain skin colour should be treated differently is racist.

L8r

[LillyNomad]

Regarding Prejudice:
Even in an advanced state of civilization, there is always a tendency to prefer those parts of literature which favor ancient prejudices, rather than those which oppose them; and in cases which this tendency is very strong, the only effect of great learning will be to supply the materials which may corroborate old errors and try to abolish old superstitions. That is why pressure and education is the solution. It is the squeaky wheel that gets oiled first.

In our time such instances are not uncommon; and we frequently neet with men whose erudition ministers to their ignorance, and who, the more they read, the less they know.

LillyNomad