White Europeans In S. A. and Slavery

[mugface]

Smoke

You sound like a baby with a wet nappy. Why don't you do us all a favour and study history properly or join a psychology forum. Your brand of voodoo history is only popular with American black racists.

Africa is for Africans - and an African is anybody, regardless of race, who is prepared to live in Africa and build its future. You are not, and never will be an African, no matter how hard you try to put over the "African American" bit. Start appreciating your own country for a change, and stop your criticism of GENUINE Africans.

If you find it so tough living in the States as a member of a minority group, you should pack your bags and emigrate to Africa. But I personally think that you lack the guts and the conviction to follow up on your venomous rhetoric.

[mugface]

Oberführer Tiger, I think you will look good in a Nazi uniform. Have you read "Mein Kampf" lately? I think you will find quite a few ideas there that will fit with your warped view of humanity. Just replace the word "Jews" with "Whites" and "Aryans" with "Blacks", and there you have it - a perfect battle plan.

[Smoke]

Originally posted by mugface
Smoke

You sound like a baby with a wet nappy. Why don't you do us all a favour and study history properly or join a psychology forum. Your brand of voodoo history is only popular with American black racists.

Africa is for Africans - and an African is anybody, regardless of race, who is prepared to live in Africa and build its future. You are not, and never will be an African, no matter how hard you try to put over the "African American" bit. Start appreciating your own country for a change, and stop your criticism of GENUINE Africans.

If you find it so tough living in the States as a member of a minority group, you should pack your bags and emigrate to Africa. But I personally think that you lack the guts and the conviction to follow up on your venomous rhetoric.

Typical response from someone who cannot discuss an issue with intelligence. Most likely because history would agree with many of the issues that I have raised, so reverting to insults is the last tactic that those who can no longer debate the truth use to divert attention from the issue at hand.

Africa for Africans, yes! Anyone can be an
African? No. I will never be an African. That is such a joke that laughing is a waste of time. You wish that was the case actually, because I am more in tune than you will ever be. Oh, I am not African American.

As for me living in Africa, you will find me next door to you sooner than you think. I will "see" you later.

Peace.

[smasher]

To tiger and smoke:

Maybe u 2 guys do not believe in what u should believe, but believe in what u want to believe. And claim that goes against ur incline will be reproached as "ignorant, lack of ken". As if the extremely bigot, jaundice, uninlightened characters revealed on urself can bu called sagascious. Tiger too easily entile others to be racist, as we saw in his denounce on webster's dictionary, he "bestow" this term to anyone who aver anything he didn't like,, maybe this term fit himself better. Caucasoid occupy the largest number of the population, even I give up my claim that Negroid may relate Caucasoid, this can be found in every prime book in the middle school. Ridiculous is that tiger call people reiterite common sense to be racist,,,doesn't it denotes his abysmal ignorance? And such a person is afraid that his cherished faith (although narrow-mided and groundless) to be challeged by erudite people, of course such a person will deplored learned people to be lack of knowledge...hehe. The information I offered in my post was not concocted by my self, and don't like ur conjection that I derived them from any white racists' ideas. Most of the example i mentioned was from Chinese academic works. It took me quite a long time to accumulate these evidnce and form my idea. It's rash to degrade the origin of my info!
And in many region in Africa, Caucasoid did mingled with Negroid in large scale! If you pay attention to correlating material you'll find it.

Yes, one of my central idea in my post was that, sevral races nowaday maybe stem from the primitive Caucasoid race... and I didn't claim there is difference of higher or lower status between its offspring--Caucasoid, Negroid, or Pygmy. The primitive Cauacsoid race now does't exsit, and it does not equal to Caucasoid! I didn't claim Negroid stem from Caucasoid, but primitive Caucasoid,,, they are different notion! So ur blame that I'm under the Caucasoid's banner is invalid! Maybe it's biased to call the common forebear of Negroid and Caucasoid to be "primitive Caucasoid", but it's the formal term, and maybe because nowaday the population of Caucasoid is larger.
Human being have a common ancester in Africa no earlier than 140,000 years ago, races do have common forebears. Why you insist there's gap between races? Why you think races are different?! Why you think people can not have common origin and should be in confrontation?! Who is racist? In my view thoes who reinforce the notion of Race can be called racist.

Maybe my words are caustic for you, if so, please forgive me. But do remember, you ask others to liberal, youself should not be bigot. Sometimes you view others' words to be heresy , that's because you never listen to them, you never listen to what you don't like. If you accept different views rationally, you may find others' intention is not bad.

[Tiger32]

Originally posted by thiswoundedsoul
Your account of history is incredibly one-sided.

Lilly Nomad historical account is very accurate. But thiswoundedsoul cannot handle the truth, just like the other so-called white South Africans (really Europeans) in this forum.

[chadafrica]

Firstly if you are born in South Africa you are a South AFRICAN first, african second and that's that. Secondly Africa never was the exclusive domain of black people, there are many different indigenous races (race is only a deffinition and doesn't exist in reality). Thirdly, just like there's no singel ethinc white group in Europe ther is no single black etnic group in Africa. When the Zulu's conquered most of the Natal region they first ENSLAVED the conquered. The San were enslaved by the Koi (san by the way is a Koi term that means less than human) The Koi and the San were enslaved at times by the Xhosa, Griqua and Duch. The first slave traders to export people from Africa was Arab traders. The Swahili bult their city states on the backs of slaves. Slavery was with us from the beginning of time and has only recently been shed, exept from parts of Sudan, Ethiopia and India, where it continues in out lying regions. THIS MUST BE STOPPED AND THIS CRYING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO DOESN'T HELP!!! The past is the past HELP STOP SLAVERY TODAY!!!

[Nubianman]

I see the racists on this board and there are many are roght back to presenting their Eurocentris views pnce again. Obviously this attempt at the cruelity of the Europeans matters not to them.

How any one can come and state blatant lies about the benefits of Europeans to Africans is beyond me. Universities were an Egyptian creation and Egypt is an African country which was populated in the main by Black people and who thereafter were infected by whites and thus the lightning of the skin. I have faced racism in many places but have come to learn how to deal with it and that is never ever bow to the liars, form your organisations with similarly minded people and get you literature out into the open however much it may cost.

Going back to slavery - whilst it is true slavery existed in all parts of the world, it has never ever been defined on the basis on physical characteristics in the manner the Europeans did. The Islamists slaves were incorporated into their societies in such a way that histortically available documents showed the then slaves as being capable owning houses, refusing to work for their masters if badly spoken to and even earning enough money to buy their freedom. In Africa, slaves were taken from the defeated nationalities but again, this was not done on the basis of physical definition, old slave communities are known to become equals of their conquerors once they are seen to paid the price for their war losses.

History also records African Kings selling off their slaves to Whites but everyone knows that as far as these kings were concerned they were invloved in a legitimate transaction as at the dictates of that time and did not know the severe evilness, wickedness and deceiptfulness of the whites. They did not know whitey considered hem as less than human.

On the question of land one only has to employ logical reasoning to realise the fact that Europeans is for Europeans and Africans should get back the land stolen from them in much the same way as Mugabe did in Zimbabwe. I strongly urge President Mbeki to start to address this historical imbalance without further hesitation for a man without a home is without his pride. This is also a peaceful solution to the problems that exist the world over - luckily some of the more intelligent but deceiptful whites from Europe are beginning to leave and finding their real homes and I therefore urge all Europeans in South Africa to follow these commendable steps.