what happened?

[Jaybang]

nonkosi_19,

Heres your answer.. or at least a part of it.

The negative sentiment against African Americans on this site.. is not aimed at all African Americans. If it was that would be as racist as hating all black South Africans, or all white Americans or all white South Africans.. it would be the same thing.. and clearly the majority of people on this site are a bit more forward thinking then that..... BUT

3 African Americans have dedicated there time on this site for just those purposes.. to fuel race crimes. I dont need to mention who they are, you should quite clearly know, but unfortunately they constantly say they represent all there brothers.. and that all Africans feel the same way.. look at one of Obu latests posts... He basicaly says that Africans the world over are just waiting till they get the power to Kill white people...

Now I dont hear you or any other African American disagreeing with them.. I dont hear you saying.. Hey Obu you **** head.. you do not represent me.. you do not represent the African people... no.. you dont say anything.. no Africans do.. so what are we led to beleive?

We sit here day in day out.. trying to create a positive atmosphere.. a forward thinking forum for forward thinking people... but these ****ers atack every post, even if its about football, or ping pon, or BBQ's or what ever.. they turn every thread into a racial issue, and spread there hatefull opinions all over the place....

If there are any African Americans who would rather be seen as the decent people they are, they should not only make there opinions clear for all, they should refute the claims by the likes of the scum on this site.. because when you dont, it is almost a way of implying you agree with them.

Its like Muslim terrorists claiming they represent the whole Muslim population, but they dont.... but the thing is you never hear Muslim people claiming otherwise.. and therefore the rest of the worl looks negatively at all Muslims, even though they are not all this way.

By African Americans standing there and letting Nubian and the likes represent them without rebuking them or setting them straight.. you basicaly accept there claims of representation.

Sorry iof this sounds harsh, but its the truth.

I have only ever seen very few Africans stand up against these guys.. most just shy away and leave it alone.. so what do you think that tells the rest of the forum...

But still saying all that.. I know my self not to group people like that.. but then again I have travelled around the world, and have many friends of many races from many countires.. so i know there is good and bad everywhere.

Cheers,
jas

[Edited by Jaybang on 3rd July 2003 at 10:19]

[nonkosi_19]

[quote]Originally posted by Karagatho
Their calls for a race war against whites here and to hell with the consequences for the people left over and their
claims to be representive of the general attitude over
there pretty much covers it...

so who brought up race wars? stop being so quick to judge. you don't know me and i can tell you're a man because you don't read too well. if you'd thought about your reply for one minute, you'd realize that your initial statement agreed with mine. the reference to bickering and egos was directed toward nubianman and his disrespectful rantings. i wasn't talking to you but your head is so far up your own a$$ that you didn't realize it. jaybang, thank you for helping me to understand. if you read my posts you will get a clear vison of where i'm coming from but i am not nubian or tiger's babysitter it's not my job to clean up after every mess they leave in a forum. if i have an opinion, i voice it. but i'm not going to chase ignorant people around southafrica.com. hate those 3 members but don't make it my burden to defend or deny them. i really don't care what they have to say: if i want to argue with americans i could get off the computer and walk outside. furthermore, karagatho, hate america but don't hate black americans. we don't decide what black media gets filtered to africa. i personally have never watched a video full of violence and gratuitous sex and asked that it be sent to africa. we have the same complaints as you do. i hope your are not so blind to think that what you see on tv is who we are and what we're about. if that we're true then i would have to believe that EVERY african is engaged in civil war, loves the US, and sits outside their hut, naked with a fly on their face. i was raised to know where i come from and who my people are. a slight against africa is a slight against my blood against my heritage and my future. i have spent sometime in South Africa and i love it. i didn't stay with whites or in some hotel. i know where i come from. i won't even presume to know what has made you so hateful toward people you know nothing about. wake up, use your brain and don't believe the hype.

[nonkosi_19]

Originally posted by Karagatho


Here's a novel Idea for you,try to imagine Africa with real
people in it with famalies and children,then reconsider
what you call petty,if that doesn't answer your question
then YOU are the answer you are looking for!!!!!!!

i had to dedicate an entirely separate reply for this paragraph. i'm going to assume that you're a black south african and correct me if i'm wrong. you've obviously never been to the US and must know very little about the separate history of blacks. we are stolen people and so we understand oppression and genocide as well as you. as least your government is honest. we have no TRC, old white men just swept slavery under the rug and stood on top of it. tomorrow, July 4th, is independence day in the US, this country was liberated from the british on that date in 1776. do you know what my ancestors were doing on that day, working in the fields, breaking their backs for less than nothing. yes, black americans can be self righteous and arrogant and ignorant of reality but some of us (maybe none that you know) are just outraged to see our blood go through what we go through and on your own land. we do not understand the concept of a WHITE AFRICAN, it is an oxymoron to us. but i have seen the country and know that you live in a complex environment.when i was in SA both last summer and this january, i saw in the flesh what i already knew to be true. we are all in the same boat. as i sit here, i wish i was there. i miss my friends, i miss my adoptive family, i miss my man. i don't have to IMAGINE south africa with real families because i have real family and one day i will have real children who will come to know the land that there father is from. karagatho, maybe you should think about taking a step back and looking at what you wrote to me. i'd hate for you to become exactly what you think you see in me. we are not as different as you'd like to believe. i only have one mouth and can speak only for myself. of course, i'm from california and here africa is not a foreign country, it's home.

[Jaybang]

Hi nonkosi_19

You are 100% correct. It is not your job to tidy up Nubian and the likes mess, and neither do you have to comment in agreement or disproval of there posts.

[Nubianman]

There is a difference between settling and oppression of a free people in their own land based on the colour of their skin.