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Old 30th May 2003, 01:17
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CAN MEN IN ARMS BE SAVE
AND CONTINUE
IN THE FORCE?

The lord in his mercy has tailor made salvation in a way that any
person can get save regarded of the kind of works they do, any
body can be save and keep save. And still keep their jobs.

Every person who reject Christ offer of salvation, done so because
of certain fear that possesses them. To get them save we have
to disarm their fear.

1Timothy 2:1-AV I exhort therefore, that, first of all,
supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be
made for all men;
1Timothy 2:2-AV For kings, and [for] all that are in authority;
that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and
honesty.

1Timothy 2:3-AV For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of
God our Saviour;
1Timothy 2:4-AV Who will have all men to be saved, and to come
unto the knowledge of the truth.

Romans 10:13-AV For whosoever shall call upon the name of the
Lord shall be saved.

SOLDERS AND POLICE CAN BE SAVE
AND STILL REMAIN IN ARMS DOING
WHAT NECESSARILY
TO PROTECT THE VICTIMS,
AND STAYING ALIVE.

Luke 3:14-AV And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying,
And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no
man, neither accuse [any] falsely; and be content with your
wages.

The solder were told to do violence to no man. To accuse no man
falsely. To be contend with their wages. In other word, do not accept
bribes. If he or she is willing to abide by those three laws, they
can get save and remain in arms.

THEY SHOULD REMAIN IN ARMS
PROTECTING THE COUNTRY
AND PEOPLE:

Romans 13:1-AV Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.
For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained
of God.
Romans 13:2-AV Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth
the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to
themselves damnation.
Romans 13:3-AV For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to
the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that
which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Romans 13:4-AV For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not
the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to
[execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.

GOD ORDAINED PEOPLE WHO MUST BE
AVENGERS OF BLOOD:

Numbers 35:11-AV Then ye shall appoint you cities to be cities of
refuge for you; that the slayer may flee thither, which killeth
any person at unawares.
Numbers 35:12-AV And they shall be unto you cities for refuge
from the avenger; that the manslayer die not, until he stand
before the congregation in judgment.

THE AVENGER OF BLOOD MUST
NOT CARRY OUT THE
DUTY IN PERSONAL HATE AND PREJUDICE:

Numbers 35:19-AV The revenger of blood himself shall slay the
murderer: when he meeteth him, he shall slay him.
Numbers 35:20-AV But if he thrust him of hatred, or hurl at him
by laying of wait, that he die;
Numbers 35:21-AV Or in enmity smite him with his hand, that he
die: he that smote [him] shall surely be put to death; [for] he
[is] a murderer: the revenger of blood shall slay the murderer,
when he meeteth him.

PRESIDENTS AND PEOPLE IN AUTHORITY
CAN BE SAVE, AND IS NOT REQUIRED BY GOD
TO TELL THE ENEMY ALL THE TRUTH:

1Samuel 16:1-AV And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou
mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over
Israel? fill thine horn with oil, and go, I will send thee to
Jesse the Bethlehemite: for I have provided me a king among his
sons.
1Samuel 16:2-AV And Samuel said, How can I go? if Saul hear [it],
he will kill me. And the LORD said, Take an heifer with thee, and
say, I am come to sacrifice to the LORD.
1Samuel 16:3-AV And call Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will shew
thee what thou shalt do: and thou shalt anoint unto me [him] whom
I name unto thee.

The truth suppose to set you free, and any time the truth will cause
the death of your country man, working in covert operations. You are
not require by God to tell it.

YOUNG PEOPLE WHO REFUSES TO GET
SAVE BECAUSE THEY FEAR
GETTING THE HOLY
GHOST:

Every person who reject Christ offer of salvation, done so because
of certain fair that possesses them.

The way Christians behave disorderly when they say that they receive
the Holy Ghost, has cause many young people to be scared of
getting save. One young man say" I want Jesus but I do not want the
Holy Ghost. The way the altar workers go about filling people
themselves has cause the people to fake it, lie and sin.

I standing there praying to be fill with the spirit, somebody lay
their hand on me, and say" Say the first thing that came to your
mind, open you mouth now and start speaking" The first thing came to
my sinful mind is vagina. What must I say! Vagina, vagina,
hollowly? We are not suppose to do that to people,
God will fill people when he want.

THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL FILL THE PEOPLE IN HIS
OWN TIME, AND GAVE THEM THE UTTERANCE.

Acts 2:4-AV And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and
began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them
utterance to speak.

1Corinthians 14:39-AV Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and
forbid not to speak with tongues.
1Corinthians 14:40-AV Let all things be done decently and in
order.

PEOPLE WHO CANNOT GET THE VICTORY
OVER THEIR SIN IN A PRACTICALLY WAY.

As long as you and I are living on this side of heaven, and living in this body
we will not overcame all the sins in a practical way. You overcame it figuratively.
By what Christ has done for you. The born again people are a sinners save by grace.
The unconverted sinner is a sinner not save.

1John 1:8-AV If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves,
and the truth is not in us.
1John 1:9-AV If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all
unrighteousness.
1John 1:10-AV If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a
liar, and his word is not in us.

2Corinthians 12:7-AV And lest I should be exalted above measure
through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a
thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I
should be exalted above measure.
2Corinthians 12:8-AV For this thing I besought the Lord thrice,
that it might depart from me.
2Corinthians 12:9-AV And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient
for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most
gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the
power of Christ may rest upon me.

PEOPLE WITH SEX PROBLEM:

1Corinthians 7:7-AV For I would that all men were even as I
myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this
manner, and another after that.
1Corinthians 7:8-AV I say therefore to the unmarried and widows,
It is good for them if they abide even as I.

1Corinthians 7:9-AV But if they cannot contain, let them marry:
for it is better to marry than to burn.

1Corinthians 7:1-AV Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote
unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman.
1Corinthians 7:2-AV Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let
every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own
husband.
1Corinthians 7:3-AV Let the husband render unto the wife due
benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
1Corinthians 7:4-AV The wife hath not power of her own body, but
the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his
own body, but the wife.
1Corinthians 7:5-AV Defraud ye not one the other, except [it be]
with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting
and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for
your incontinency.

PEOPLE IN TIED UP LIFE STYLE:

A woman living in common law marriage, she has three children. She came to church
and get save. When we told her to leave the man, as she leave another woman
walk in. Ho support her children? Who will married to her with three children?
In common law marriage, can be save and remain with each other until they update
their life. The church not suppose to turn them away and tell them to go fix their life first.
Once they taste and see that the lord is good, they will update their life the first chance they
get if we give them time to do it.


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Old 30th May 2003, 03:17
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Im sorry, but there is nothing more sickening then hearing any leader, pray to god (any god) for protection over there troops and victory over there enemy.

Its contradictory, its wrong!! Thy shall not kill, means exactly that. If you choose to beleive that as a commandment, then so be it. But how can anyone kill in the name of there God..

Once again, people will twist things to suit there needs.

Its pathetic...
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Old 30th May 2003, 05:24
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You quoted the verse" Thou shalt not kill"
The Ten Commandment is only a table of contents. Just like any book. But as you begin to read the book, it show you where killing is necessary.

Did you read the verses about the avengers of blood? No! you never see that I suppose!.

Do you knoiw what the word "slay" mean?.

THE AVENGER OF BLOOD MUST
NOT CARRY OUT THE
DUTY IN PERSONAL HATE AND PREJUDICE:

Numbers 35:19-AV The revenger of blood himself shall slay the murderer: when he meeteth him, he shall slay him.
Numbers 35:20-AV But if he thrust him of hatred, or hurl at him by laying of wait, that he die;
Numbers 35:21-AV Or in enmity smite him with his hand, that he die: he that smote [him] shall surely be put to death; [for] he [is] a murderer: the revenger of blood shall slay the murderer, when he meeteth him.
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Old 30th May 2003, 05:57
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"Where killing is necessary..."

You know, I cant understand people who cling to this book, as the word of 'God'.

The truth is that what ever you want to do in life, weather that be killing someone with justification and gods backing , or saving someone unjustly accused... you will be able to twist the bible into what ever shape and form in order to get the comfort and support you require.

So it doesnt really matter what you do in life, weather its killing or not, as long as you can feel like your doing it in the name of God..

just like millions of other people in the world killing in the name of there Gods..

Its bull****, and sickening..
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Old 30th May 2003, 12:18
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Talking Iam afraid of making you a beliver.

I am afraid of making jbang believe in this, he might go kill somebody, or try to kill the first police he came across. So you know what! do not mind what I have written, just disregard it. Which I am sure you always do.
God bless.
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Old 30th May 2003, 13:46
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Talking ...

As always its interesting to read all ur opinions.As im new here hope u dont mind me airing my view?

U guys know we are all different on earth, each trying to find our way, wot suits us and wot makes sense to us.I find no problem reading and respecting another persons views,I get the feeling that some of you wish to convert others,

now if you dont mind,my opinion to THOU SHALT NOT KILL
I wish to preserve this commandment.It was written in the old testament and was regarded as a law after God commissioned Moses to write it...Then Jesus came, he also said he came to make all old things new, including previous laws and mentality of the jewish people, he originally came for them but because they didnt accept Him he commissioned his Apostles to go to every corner of the earth and proclaim his Gospel(for everyone)...Jesus also combined the 10 Commandments into 2 before he ascended into heaven...He said we should love our neighbour as ourselves and love God with our whole body, mind and soul...
So for those of us who beleive in this, would we kill our neighbour(not to be taken literally) if we loved him as we loved ourselves...i.e. would we kill ourselves?
Of course u can all answer it personally
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Old 31st May 2003, 21:52
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something wrong with your heads.

When a criminal broke into your house and begin to rape your wife and kids, stand up there looking!

When a criminal is shooting at the police, you go tell the police not to shoot back.

When a country declare war on your country, and your solders came out to defend the city. Tell them not to shoot back, just take out their penis and pee at the enemy, it will make them go away.

Now the article was only posted for men and women in arms.
If you are not a not a criminal you do not need to trouble yourself.

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