Split a log and i will be there...

[Jaybang]

If what you term 'God' is omnipresent... As it says in the bible, "split a log and I will be there"... then would that not mean that 'God' is everywhere,in all of us?

If 'God' is omnipresent.. then not only is he part of us, but a part of every molecule that creates us.

Would I be correct then to deduce that we can never be apart from 'god'?

How then can people stand back and attack other people in the name of God? How can you condem a man to hell, when part of that mans make up is 'God'.

If a person is going to hell, then so is God, infact, God would have to be a part of hell for he is a part of everything.

Or are the rules of what God is and where he can be found, subject to mankinds interpretation once again?

If I am incorrect and it is impossible for God to be present in Hell then he obvisouly is not omnipresent.

[buttercup]

You remind me of socrates he would philosiphies by questioning things. It's quite interesting the things you think of. Anyway I won't argue with you this time it's a good point.

-SARA

[Karagatho]

These kind of interpretations always make me worry , Sure
God Created everything and In fact Science is beginning to
uncover the fingerprints of an Intelligent creation in
Quantum physics and the latest astronomical discoveries
What still pains me is the way religious Zealots will blindly
ignore science because of some interpretation they made which
should indicate the universe works in such and such a way
When Plainly Science as shown incorrect.

I personally am much more impressed with a God who in a show
of wrath blasted out a Universe! than some lame zealotous
universe, I feel the bible , Mainly the new testament , has
been warped beyond usefulness through the middle ages by the
Kings and Cardinals of that time, I don't trust it! and the
Old testament, with its Geomatra and such , is also suspect.

There is a God though! I have plainly see his work in my life, Its just too obvious!
When I was young ,I had a number of little fantasies about working in a certain building
in Johannesburg and working on ATMs in the bank and showing my mothers friends
I wasn't the destructive little creep they thought I was ,not a soul knew of this, just me
and god and both happened! then in that job I thought working in the city is not for me
and I wanted to move to somewhere by Sandton, a couple of months later the Whole
company moved to 5km away from Sandton city, then once there I though , damn I’d like a job
where I travel alot to customers that are far away, and get to see some of South Africa
A couple of months later , the Bank suddenly need people for a job exactly like this
and I get picked for it , then a few months later I get sick of it and decide maybe I’d
like to do my old job again , two months later my division is liquidated and I end up
doing just that , then I recon I wish I had a programming job , and a friend of mine passes
round a number of a cheapo place to do a programming course and goes for it , so do I,
then I leave my company and do it , am Jobless for a while during which time I stay in
my brothers house , something I also wanted to do (He “Sold” it to me) which basically
boiled down to I paid his bond for a year , cheaper than renting ,let me tell you , and
gave it back to him once I became employed .
And I have been quite happy doing programming for two years now, but plainly God’s
Task he has set out for me is nearing because he wants me to quit , so I guess its my chance
To return all these favors to god . J

My favorite indicator of the mindboggling power in the universe is the boringly named
Gamma ray burst , which I have been following with absolute interest , these are stupendous
Explosions occurring at a rate of about one a day in the universe , each one releases
About 100.000 times the energy our sun will ever produce in under 2 seconds normally
now THAT’S power , these zealots , I could smack them with a wiffle bat !

[Karagatho]

Oops! forgot to make my point! he he !
Alright what you are saying is god is everything and
everything is God , just because somebody said God is
omnipresent ? I don't even think the word is in the Bible
Yes yes, I said the Bible , even though I don't trust
it all that much , but that is where you get your
interpretations from ? isn't it ? well I think He is just
present! He made matter and that dosn't automatically
mean that he is present in all matter , I think it's
just there!
And the passage you refer to mearly means he is watching
over you all the time!
Think about it ,this is a test of our goodness ,why would
he be testing himself ? although , matter could be just
the bearer of our souls though I suppose.

Well anyway some here don't seem to care much for religion
and are here just ot blast which I'm sure was your intention
eventually with this.

The 'God' bit gave it away (I must be a genius, *sigh*
aaaaa the burden, the burden of greatness (!) Oh! er *cough* you still here?)

[Jaybang]

Karagatho,

You are correct on one thing, I am simply here to throw things up for discussion, to maybe have one or two people sit back scrath there heads and go... hmm you know thats a different perspective... It would just be nice if some people used there own heads for a change instead of all the preprogrammed stuff thats already taken over who they are.

What you have to understand is that I am noty going to argue my points, because they cant be proven.. but i accept that. Im just making my thoughts public. Just as loosers like Tiger32 and Nubian, and many more use the bible to condem others, Im just using the Bible myself to show all the contradictions, and ethical injustices such as slavery being endorsed. Im also showing how times change, and yet the bibloe remains rigid, still reflecting the mood of the people of that time and era.

Now, Please take this with an open mind, cause im going to put myself out on a limb and comment on your experiance of God, which seems to be your proof that god exists.

The simple fact is this (in my opinion). Every choice you make in your present life, creates a new set of possibilities and options. If you are aware, and intune, you can make the most of opportunistic moments,or even if you are not, and simply living blindly from one day to the next... the same set of universal laws apply to everyone..

you made your own choices to get you where you are today.. you did that. You are responsible for your own position now.

If I spill something on my shirt, and so nip of to the laundry mat to get it cleaned, and on the way, I pick up a lottery ticket off the floor with no name on it and walk to the shop and check the numbers and win a million bucks..... Your going to tell me that it is due to Gods will that I won the million bucks?

If I had on the other hand bent down to pick up the lottery ticket off the road, and a huge truck ran straight over me, and caused me to have my arms amputated, are you telling me that was Gods work too?

Come on.. take some responsibility back for your own life... You can go around saying God this and God that.. but in the end its you, and what you choose to do with your life.. When you want to thank God, thank yourself, give yourself a pat on the back, you deserve it.. when you say "God, why me?" think why anybody.. its just the way it is..its life.

I have found for myself, that since I have accepted this fact, and taken responsibilty for my own life, things are better, my needs are less, im happy and content.. when **** happens I deal with it, and when good things happen, well then cool. But i dont run around pretending that some other entity is responsible for my life... no way. Maybe this is why i have spent the last 8 years traveling around the world, because i want the most out of this life.. and no one else is going to help me get it if i dont help myself.I follow my dreams and pat myself on the back when i achieve them.

I actualy love earth and everything on it, Im in no rush to leave this place just because most of the world couldnt give a ****, and only is concerned about an after life.. thats there problem not mine.

I want to see as much as i can, experiance as much as i can... but when i die, i die, who gives a ****.. its going to happen.. and what happens after that well, we will just have to wait and see. No fear : - )

[buttercup]

BEHIND YOU 100% IN YOUR PHILOSOPHY

-SARA

[Karagatho]

Yes! yes! , I used to try convince myself like that at times
when I lost "The path a bit" but all these things just
fell in my plate ,I put no effort from my side !
there's no way it could be sort of an unconscious effort
from my side, but anyway I suppose its all a bit far fetched
for most people
But the Exactomundo things? again and again and again?
there no way!

Certainly there's things in this world that scream
"There is no God , how could God allow that ?!?!?!?"
but I feel there a huge plan underway , and what happens
must happen , and bad things are from making god angry
Which I have done! and got nailed for it , but when
I'm living the right way, thing always go well.

I don't know ,I see where you are coming from, but I also
KNOW God exists , and I KNOW he is good and cares for us
I can't help but feel bad things are a result of punishment
for bad deeds.

If I've read revelation right , Once we are all brought to
life again, we can still repent right there, but I also know
that that day will have something in it that people will
be able to use to deny the existance of God , maybe
Technology will be used to return us from the dead or
something , I hang on to the belief that the the people who
are killed in wrath now ,will have a good chance when
we return.