Question from an American: Do blacks in SA target whites?

[buttercup]

I wish we could all work together and stop all this crime and hate. I love all people and I just wish we could all get along. Did you know many theorists/archeologists/scientists/and Historians belive SouthAfrica is were human origin began. That means all people are really SouthAfrican in a way. They say that the Coi/San tribe(s) were the first to walk the earth and that there DNA is closer to the later ausraulopithicus and every other race's DNA also has somesimilarities to the Coi/San.
I wish I could give you the source but it was somthing I learn't in class. I thought it sounded pretty unbilivable but I liked the idea

-SARA

[Greg1]

I'm an American near Chicago and I just found this forum last week. It's been very interesting reading all of your posts.

When reading southern Africa-related forums I'm always disturbed most by the comments of my fellow Americans. Let me set one thing straight; The philosophies purveyed by Tiger32 and Nubianman are vile and do not represent the philosophies of most Americans with regard to southern Africa, Zimbabwe, RSA, land redistribution, racism, whose fault it is, etc... Most Americans just want there to be peace and economic prosperity with whites and blacks living happily next to each other. I would venture to say that Jaybang's very well-articulated philosophy largely reflects that of most Americans (I hope I didn't just destroy your credibility, Jaybang). Who cares what color you are? Just work hard, love your neighbor and do your best for yourself in your life. Hopefully others will see how you live your life and follow your example.

Nubianman is WAY outside of the mainstream when he advicates the ethnic cleansing of whites from Africa. No doubt that, at his Ivy League campus, he considers himself a beacon of "diversity" and "open-mindedness." This is typical of the American and international Left; They're open-minded until someone disagrees with them, at which point they aim to shout down and discredit that person. The hypocricy is nauseating. If Nubianman had his way with regard to whites in Africa, wouldn't he also advocate the expulsion of blacks and whites from America, hispanics from Mexico and Latin America (Spanish decent), Russians from Russia (Viking decent), Han Chinese from Tibet and East Turkestan, whites from Austrailia and New Zealand, and so on... Nubianman just needs something at which to channel his hate which his elitest wine-and-cheese friends and college professors programmed into him.

Buttercup, I think your "teamwork" approach, while noble and well-intentioned, is naive. Please don't take that personally, but one thing we must remember is that it is human nature to carve out a better niche for one's self without regard to others so long as you're not hurting someone else. Human nature. This is why I believe racial reconciliation needs to come at the most basic level - the individual. INDIVIDUALS, black and white, must reject racism. No team can accomplish that. Individuals who, themselves, have rejected racism must make themselves heard and crusade to change the minds of those, black and white, who have not.

Anyway, it's great to be here talking to all of you. I'm looking forward to talking to you more soon.

Greg

[Jaybang]

Howzit Greg,

Thanks for your thoughts, it makes a nice change from the narrow mindedness that we get in some of these posts.

I agree totaly with you about the fact that 'change' needs to come from an Individual level.

Laters
J

[Nubianman]

When the truthful black panther political party was formed in response to the oppression of our people, they were criticised in much the same way as I am today because people were not only scared of their views, they were also reviled for speaking that which was at the back of the minds of our brothers.

The problem with the uncle toms of this world is that they fail to see racism in the true light that it deserves, it is therefore superficially dealt with. Bobby Seale and Huey P Newton formed this party forty years ago and despite losing over thirty members to the racist police through "accidental discharges", they prospered. In the words of these gifted men, the party listed ten points of political demand:
1)We want the freedom to determine our future, freedom to determine the destiny of our community.
2) We want full employment.
3) We want an end to the robbery by capitalist Europeans of our communities. We believe that this racists government has robbed us and now we demand the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules.
4)We demand decent housing.
5) We demand true education for our cildren which teaches them the true history of our people.
6) We demand the provision of good health services for our people.
7)We want an end to police brutality.
8) We want an end to all wars of aggression
9) we want freedom for all our brothers in jail,etc.

Now whilst I do not necessarily agree with all their demands, I think it is suffice to say nothing has changed in over forty years since these programmes were first stated by the black panthers. All we get is the same old story about how we should be patient till the Europeans recognises that we are humans, wait til we can drive nice cars into nice surburbs and not be suspected of being criminals when in actual fact most of the serious crimes are committed by Europeans.

We can no longer afford to wait for what is our due, we demand to be judged on our merits and not on the colour of our skin. We would fight our oppressors on our land with whatever means we have available to us until we lose every single last drop of blood in our bodies. Our people have to recognise the systematic desimation of Africans by the Europeans who seek to steal from us what is rightfully ours, they must rise up and challenge these evil forces with whatever they have at their disposal until mother Africa is free of the criminals who continue to desecrate her. Today more than at any point in history there is an increased ghettorization of our people and we are being told to wait, our children are being fed lies in school to make them stupid enough to believe that the European is a compassionate being when the facts that stare us in the face points to the opposite direction.

The African whereever he may be on the face of the planet can never get his due until his homeland has been cleansed, this is the truth.

[Greg1]

Nubianman, I think your comments speak for themselves, but let me analyze them for a bit.

In your last sentence you openly advocate cleansing Africa of people who were born there and know no other home than Africa. Let us think back to other ethnic cleansers in history... Hitler, Stalin, Milosevic, Amin... This puts you in quite prestigious company, don't you think?

You also SAY that you only want to be judged on merit rather than the color of your skin. I say that's great, because that is exactly the point I and people like me have been trying to get across! But I know you're lying when you make such a statement. Your desire to ethnically cleanse Africa of non-blacks is an open contradiction of that "belief." Someone who truly believes that people should be judged on merit rather than color would not also support the thuggish notion of ejecting people from their homes and deporting them simply because of their skin color.

You must get past your hate. The world is what it is. I don't see white Africans sending black Africans into bondage any more. The only slavery going on in Africa today is Arab-on-Black or Black-on-Black. Open your eyes.

[buttercup]

Greg
I can see how you think my idea is nieave, I know that the possibility of this happening is not very likely, but I think it would work in theory think of it this way we can show how we are good individualy, but that would take forever. It has worked in the past peace rallys, the millionman march they have all made big impacts on society
So what I would want is like a peaceday or a black/indian apreciation day some kind off peacefull rally that shows we only want peace between every one and no more fighting or killing. I know this sounds somewhat hippi like but it this attitude helped get SouthAfrica to where it is today were we've already had a black president and abolished the apathied. History is our best teacher in life the past can be our guide. So call me nieve but remember this has been a great way in the past as solving problems. Black people wouldn't be waer they are today if they didn't stand up for them selves so if we want peace and rasism to stop why don't we set an example. This was not a nieve idea for Martin Luther King was it? He rallied he inspired he changed society. We can do it to Sotuh Africa
does not have to be divided by violence cuased by rasism, or opression


-Sara

[obugi]

To Greg1,

You need to be sure of what you're talking about. The problem with you white people is you've convinced yourself all is well, everything is honky dory. Well, it isn't, and Blacks in America feel just the way Nubian does, THEY JUST DON'T SAY IT WHEN YOU'RE AROUND. I just graduated from Pharmacy school, I'm heading to Law school and my objective is to head back to Africa and give you white people HELL, starting in Nigeria, my home country. You must learn that on our continent, you must live by OUR rules, however capricious they are. I want to exploit YOU for a change.

All that whites have done the world over is expropriate, steal, suppress, exploit and colonize; when the victims start agitating for their rights, the whites concede a few rights here and there but hold on to what really matters: ECONOMIC POWER. Whites hold on to the accumulated plunder of hundreds of yrs of exploitation and then have the temerity to claim "WE ARE ALL EQUAL". Over in Zimbabwe the cry is now for rule of law, property rights blah, blah. Are you truly oblivious of the inequities that have been entrenched by white domination and conquest?

Y'all must be CRAZY.

Obugi.